maggi
posted me 5 questions in the interview game. She’s one perceptive
woman! I found them really interesting and searching. Here’s my attempt
at answering them.
1. You’re a story teller, Tony. What do stories do to your concept of
what’s “true”?
Who said (or should have done),
‘Story is truth, truth story’ - that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know?
I’ve come to believe that all truth is a kind of story, and that
story is the very best way of telling the truth. Story is more true
than creed, dogma, definition; because it doesn’t close down people’s
thinking and exploration, but leaves everything open, invites people to
journey further.
When I was doing my sabbatical on storytelling, the word that kept
coming to me (till I realised it must be from God) was “Trust the
Story.” I’ve been trying to learn what that means, and how to do it,
ever since. One thing I know, is that sermons, teaching etc. which
either are in the form of story, or draw heavily on story, are both
more popular and more effective in teaching, than sermons which don’t,
or which are more like intellectual exercises. Not to say all my
preaching works like this, or succeeds; but I’m sure telling stories
has improved my preaching no end.
Sometimes it involves a risk! Like telling any of the ‘Jesus
Legends’ from the Middle Ages (like How St Peter became bald). I have
wanted to say on those occasions, “This is a legend” - as if the
children might get this story confused with stories from the Bible. I
should trust the children more, probably. I bet they wouldn’t get them
confused.
In the end, I remember my role model. Jesus was a storyteller; that
was his favoured way of communicating truth. If he thought it was a
good idea, that’s good enough for me.
2. As a story-teller, you must be interested in audience reaction. Do
you blog more for yourself or for your readers? Would you blog at all
if no-one could read it?
I always thought I would be a writer, and then thought, when I was
ordained, that giving up that ambition was a kind of sacrifice I was
making for God. Then realised that I was writing for people all the
time, in my sermons, and pieces for the parish magazine etc. So I
realised the key thing was that I was gifted to be a communicator.
And telling stories is communication like nothing else. There is
nothing quite like the buzz of telling stories to a live audience. It’s
electric: the contact, the pulse that flows between you and your
listeners. It’s addictive, no mistake. The reaction is instant, the
whole act of telling is responsive, all the time you are telling you
are responding to, answering back to, the tiny subtle shifts in the
audience’s attention, interest, amusement, understanding. It’s like
conducting an orchestra, or playing an instrument which is all the
listeners and their thoughts and feelings.
Blogging is strangely different. I started off doing it for myself.
For vanity. Because I could. And I would still do it, even if no one
read it. (Or would I?) For what a thrilling thing it was when I began
to find that there were people reading it. Yes, that’s immensely
gratifying. But I also do it, I suppose, to have daily writing practice
(which people might actually read the results of.) To try out ideas. To
tell little bits of life story and experience that I may then tell in
sermons or conversations. Looking out for things to blog about means
observing life, thinking about all that happens around me, trying to
look into its meaning and inner nature. It’s like a permanently public
writer’s or artist’s notebook.
3. You have spent a lot of your life in the Church, and quite a few of
those years in ministry. Given the current shift towards
“post-christian” culture, and the profound difficulties within the
Church at the present, do you think the church has a future in Western
Culture?
I’ve been in the Church since I was baptised on October 23, 1949,
maggi! And attending worship regularly, and active in the believing
community, since I owned my baptismal faith in 1971. And ordained since
1979. I love this beautiful, infuriating, maddening, fascinating,
mysterious Church of England. I am an Anglican by absolute conviction,
that this is the place God has put me and nourished me and called me to
follow Christ.
The future? Well, your question reminded me of something Gandhi is
supposed to have said. When asked what he thought of Western
civilisation, he answered, “I think it would be a very good idea.”
Western culture may well not survive, like the Roman Empire. But in
one form or other the Christian Church will; and I really think the
future is with the Church that has its roots in the past, rather than
with any of the newly invented expressions of the faith. Of course, we
may not recognise the future form of the church: it will grow out of
what we now have. But I believe if the Anglican Communion does split
and all the Evangelicals leave, they are likely to suffer the same fate
as all the other groups that have defected over the years: they may
survive a couple of generations or centuries, but ultimately they will
wither and fade away. Because God’s life is in his church. I love it
that we have a history and can take the long view. But this shouldn’t
make us complacent.
At the same time, the nearer I get to drawing my pension, the more I
devoutly hope and pray for the Church of England’s unity, health,
growth and wealth, so I can enjoy the fruits of all those years of
service.
4. Do the members of your Parish read your blog? Do you ever “preach”
through the blog, or “censor” your subject matter to avoid stirring up
Parish issues?
It’s no secret that I blog; though I only know of three or four
parishioners who read it at all regularly. And some of what I write is,
I think, pretty outspoken, though doesn’t often produce a response. (I
suppose, like a bad child, I should say more and more outrageous things
to try and stir one up.)
I don’t mean to be preachy here, though I may wish to change
people’s minds about things. Or try out ideas that might get used in
sermons. To that extent, blogging is a cousin of journalism.
Yes, I am careful about what I blog. I wrote something about this last year in The Seal of the Blog,
and I stand by that, pretty much. I will not write anything that I
would not be prepared for anyone at all to read, including (especially)
the people I’m writing about. My blog, though personal, is a public
space, it’s here for all to read. I would hope to be able to stand up
and swear to it in court, as I will before the throne of God. (Eek!
this is getting heavy.) That’s the theory. I have just occasionally
mentioned persons who I’m pretty sure won’t read this, and commented in
ways that might break my own rules. But I try and make that a rare
thing.
5. What’s it like being married to a very clever woman? Do you ever
feel threatened?
Ah, you see, when I married her, I didn’t know just how clever she
was. I just thought she was fascinating and gorgeous and she made me
feel good about myself by being interested in me - an intoxicating mix!
If I had known what she would achieve and become, I think I would have
been terrified. But on the other hand, all that we have both been able
to achieve in our careers, in the years since then, is the result of
our partnership, support and encouragement of each other.
What she is now doing and planning to do, might have threatened me
some years ago. But I’ve become confident enough of my gifts and
skills, (I hope!) and am still learning to trust God enough, to know
that whatever we do together, and wherever we end up going, will be the
right thing.
If you want to carry on the Interview Game by having me ask you five questions, email me at tony AT godspell DOT org DOT uk